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Hcp22 10-30-2014 12:38 PM

I did min COX-style :D


toyranosaur 10-30-2014 03:28 PM

Love the roof! Love the nuts! :) You neglected to put the screw in the left front roll bar though........kinda spolils the whole thing, not really! :lolbeat: Diggin' the clean look Mate. Chris REC

olblueyez 11-04-2014 10:37 AM

What batteries are you guys running? The hard case batteries seem like they might be a tight fit with a deans.

Arcocustom 11-04-2014 11:19 AM



Vintage Kyosho catalog with some more alternate paint schemes for the Beetle.

Arcocustom 11-06-2014 11:26 PM

Beetle 2014 Buggy Kit

Part Number 30614B



















Suprachrgd82 11-09-2014 02:14 PM


olblueyez 11-10-2014 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Suprachrgd82 (Post 1015208)

Pure Awesome!

Are you guys using Low-Profile servos? Standards seem like they would be too tall even with the shims.

Suprachrgd82 11-10-2014 07:50 PM

Standard servos fit without any issues, both the OEM tub and the Tomahawk fiberglass chassis plates.

Suprachrgd82 11-15-2014 09:45 AM

Option Parts!

http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/New-Par...es-_c_775.html

olblueyez 11-17-2014 05:30 PM

Anyone know of a good reason to use these? Besides weight and cool factor?



Arcocustom 11-18-2014 03:41 PM

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“In general, there are two major benefits to using composites in racing applications,” noted Christophe Buchler from Pyromeral Systems, Dallas, Texas. “Compared to metals, the most obvious benefit is weight reduction.

“The other important benefit is the freedom that composites give to designers to create the shapes and the designs that exactly fit their needs,”
Quote:

Originally Posted by olblueyez (Post 1015732)
Anyone know of a good reason to use these? Besides weight and cool factor?

Lighter than Aluminum, stronger than Steel.

olblueyez 11-18-2014 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcocustom (Post 1015778)
Lighter than Aluminum, stronger than Steel.

Anyone ever have issues with the stock version of these two parts? I read that people had issues with the steering mount so I have that in graphite.

Arcocustom 11-19-2014 12:27 AM

Good reasons to use the Option Parts
 



On the original 1982/83 cars, the Frame Rails, Servo Saver Mount and Shock Mounts bend and tend to bend very easily. The front Arm Shaft Blocks and the Front Caster Locks were made of cast aluminum and would break in half or the threads would strip-out. The motor sticks out of the car on the one side and once it took a hit, the motor plate would bend ruining the gear's mesh. The Gear Box Mount also made use of regular machine screws which would dig into the ground after each hard landing. The Rear Suspension Plates were two separate parts and did not tie the rear of the chassis together. Double-sided tape was also used to secure the servo to the Radio Box. The Wing was also mounted using thin piano wire which left a lot to be desired.

The stock 2014 version adresses every one of these problems but it does not solve all of them. The Shock Towers are made of a thicker and higher quality aluminum, but they still can be bent. The carbon towers do flex but retain their original shape. Same with the servo saver mount. The chassis has a brace that ties the front suspension together now. The rear suspension mount has a brace that ties the two sides together as well. The gearbox mount features countersunk holes and hardware. The wing mount is also made from thicker wire and has a better plate for the wing to actually bolt to. The radio box has a moulded mount to securely bolt your servo to and there are extra hole for your battery and ESC wires to make wiring a breeze.

Quote:

Racers get carbon parts to lighten their electric and nitro cars and trucks. Lighter is always better. Less weight on the car means less stress on the motor and less draw on the batteries, resulting in more "fun" time, and less wear and tear on the electronics. Good drivers switching to lighter versions of the stock parts—meaning carbon or graphite—can gain a competitive advantage of speed and run time over those who don’t.

Experienced racers also prize carbon parts, not for their strength in a crash, but for their "responsiveness." This term refers to carbon's rigidity. Without the minute delay of flexing, rigid interconnected parts will respond to the driver's control immediately.
In general, Carbon Fiber vs Aluminum Alloy, the carbon part is about 50% lighter. Converting over to carbon parts will save weight but just swapping the Servo Saver Mount will not result in any appreciable weight savings. For maximum weight savings all 6 parts should be used.












This is especially true since the machined hardened frame rails weigh more than the stock, bent 6061 bar stock rails. Aluminum can be work hardened or it came be forged as an alloy. I think the option rails are an alloy with copper. These alloys have lower crack growth rates and thus have better fatigue performance than work hardened Aluminum.

These three parts will definitely be less prone to stripping, breaking and/or bending.






It is hard to say without actually weighing the two but I am going to guess that the 9 optional components will weigh very close to what the stock buggy does. The optional set-up is going to be more responsive and it will certainly be extremely strong when compared to the stock car and should survive it's fair share of crashes. :rc:


olblueyez 11-19-2014 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcocustom (Post 1015800)



On the original 1982/83 cars, the Frame Rails, Servo Saver Mount and Shock Mounts bend and tend to bend very easily. The front Arm Shaft Blocks and the Front Caster Locks were made of cast aluminum and would break in half or the threads would strip-out. The motor sticks out of the car on the one side and once it took a hit, the motor plate would bend ruining the gear's mesh. The Gear Box Mount also made use of regular machine screws which would dig into the ground after each hard landing. The Rear Suspension Plates were two separate parts and did not tie the rear of the chassis together. Double-sided tape was also used to secure the servo to the Radio Box. The Wing was also mounted using thin piano wire which left a lot to be desired.

The stock 2014 version adresses every one of these problems but it does not solve all of them. The Shock Towers are made of a thicker and higher quality aluminum, but they still can be bent. The carbon towers do flex but retain their original shape. Same with the servo saver mount. The chassis has a brace that ties the front suspension together now. The rear suspension mount has a brace that ties the two sides together as well. The gearbox mount features countersunk holes and hardware. The wing mount is also made from thicker wire and has a better plate for the wing to actually bolt to. The radio box has a moulded mount to securely bolt your servo to and there are extra hole for your battery and ESC wires to make wiring a breeze.



In general, Carbon Fiber vs Aluminum Alloy, the carbon part is about 50% lighter. Converting over to carbon parts will save weight but just swapping the Servo Saver Mount will not result in any appreciable weight savings. For maximum weight savings all 6 parts should be used.












This is especially true since the machined hardened frame rails weigh more than the stock, bent 6061 bar stock rails. Aluminum can be work hardened or it came be forged as an alloy. I think the option rails are an alloy with copper. These alloys have lower crack growth rates and thus have better fatigue performance than work hardened Aluminum.

These three parts will definitely be less prone to stripping, breaking and/or bending.






It is hard to say without actually weighing the two but I am going to guess that the 9 optional components will weigh very close to what the stock buggy does. The optional set-up is going to be more responsive and it will certainly be extremely strong when compared to the stock car and should survive it's fair share of crashes. :rc:


Thank you so much for that awesome post! I have everything except the rear suspension plate (I have the 2014 version) and the gearbox plate (also 2014). They are tempting since this car will have all the upgrades except for those two.

I'm not concerned about weight, I just want a strong car that won't need a lot of repairs and I'm going to have a conservative throttle finger with this particular car.

I have plans for a "Basher" in 2015.

olblueyez 11-19-2014 02:04 AM

I even have a 13.5 Brushless Le Mans ready to go in this car too. My biggest hangup is do I run it? But I know I will take it for a stroll once and awhile. :D


I'm still hoping someone will post what Tamiya red matches the red tub best.


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