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Well then lets allow it but maybe add points for it. Maybe a slight penalty. What do you guys think? Not enough to hurt you bad, but maybe enough to detour the guys from trying to bend the rules too far.
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When dovetailing, or dovefronting?... Beaking?.. screw it I think, the new front and rear panel width should not be less than the with of the frame. Pretty simple, me thinks.
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how do you penalize a guy for a dove tail and let some one run bedless??

I say reward the guys that leave the bed on by giving them bonus for drop bed, tube bed, ETC, stuff that adds weight and hurts performance. and give no reward for a narrowed or removed bed..

also I just notice the RTI score is gone from the rules that needs added back for 2.2.. the 500 keeps the trucks allot more realistic.
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I'm fine with dovetails as well. regarding a penalty I'm not so sure, I don't see it being anymore of an advantag than a tube bed.
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how do you penalize a guy for a dove tail and let some one run bedless??

I say reward the guys that leave the bed on by giving them bonus for drop bed, tube bed, ETC, stuff that adds weight and hurts performance. and give no reward for a narrowed or removed bed..

also I just notice the RTI score is gone from the rules that needs added back for 2.2.. the 500 keeps the trucks allot more realistic.
x2, the RTI needs to be there.

What about a dovetailed bed with a drop insert?
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tuff one stu I dont know. I dont see the big advantage a dovetail truck is getting in the first place, if the RTI is limited and there is no rear steer. how much does the added clearance really help? that is why I am a against any penalty.. if there is a drop bed it should be rewarded. there a lot of work and add some weight to the truck..

its not like dovetailing or bobing the nose of a truck and making it still look good is easy to do either.. and the gains are small, heck with a lexan body you can just mount it loose and cram the tire right in the fender, the body will move. so what is the big deal?
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True, there's very little performance edge, but it sure looks cool.

I say we count a dovetail as a full body, no points awarded or penalized. Drop/tube rules still apply.
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Drop beds and similar scale touches can be taken care of when we set up a scale accessorie scoring system.
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I agree about all points. Do we want to wait until the scale accesory part for the dovetail issue though? This is one of the rules to BUILD by...and my vote is to not penalize it. I also agree that there should be an RTI for 2.2
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I agree with no penalty, I think the dovetail limit would be dictated by the frame width.
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so does this look right from what we have covered so far?? I added in the body section a line about all rigs should at least have 2 seats. that should keep any single seat comp buggys out..


2.2” Class
This class is modeled after typical off-road use vehicles, non-trailered vehicles and trailered vehicles. These rules are set up to judge a scale truck as the "sum of its parts." The goal is to have trucks that resemble something you might see driving on a trail. a purpose built off road vehicle (mud truck, hardcore trail truck, non competition rock crawler, ETC.) Understand the "spirit" of the rules and work within them.

> Chassis: The chassis or frame must be a ladder style and extend over the axles. Competition style RC rock crawling chassis are not allowed. This includes twin vertical plate designs (TVP), "stick" style, torsion and forced articulation. Tub style chassis are allowed.


> Wheels & Tires: Wheels are restricted to OEM 2.2” size. all OEM tires are legal, any modified tires may be no larger then 5.5"

> Body: You must run a body, fenders, doors and tailgates must be intact. Moderate fender trimming is allowed, but the basic shape of the fender must be retained. If no doors are run, the vehicle must have an interior (dash, floorpan, seats, etc). If no tailgate is used, the bed must be built out (drop bed). A shortened or lengthened body is allowed. A tubed bed must have a functional bed area capable of carrying a full-size spare, and tail lights(need not function), (rear fender and tailgate rules to not apply to tubed beds). All vehicles should be able to accommodate a minimum of a driver and passenger(no single seat buggys)

> Steering: 4-wheel steering is illegal.

> Drivetrain: A chassis mounted transmission and/or transfer case are allowed. Front or rear dig, cutting bakes, motor on axle (MOA) designs are illegal. Chassis with single or dual integrated motors are allowed, but the motors must always be powered (no electronic digs).

> Wheelbase and width: The dimensions of the vehicle are limited only by the body, but it must fit within the body’s fender wells.

> Comp-day modifications: The vehicle must be run as it was setup for tech inspection.

> Battery: The Battery must be placed on or within the chassis.

>·No truck will be allowed with a RTI score over 500*

>“Tuber” vehicles will be addressed on site and maybe allowed to run in this class but no guarantee is given.
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No custom tires allowed?
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It sounds good to me. You could still have custom tires, but they would have to be based on 2.2 tires.
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The rule states, "tires must be 2.2 OEM." To me that says no cutting, no narrowing, no nothing. Maybe "tires must use a 2.2 bead"?

I know my narrowed Swamp Dawgs wouldn't grip the rocks if they had a handle, but I'd hate to see them illegal.
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I was gonna bring that one up. I say custom tires get a cap just like 1.9.. maybe 5.2" just like montana rules.. that way no one is trying to run there 6" molanders.. right now the best rubber out is in the 2.2 size but if someone wants to cut down/modify a tire to try and run let them have at it..


> Wheels & Tires: Wheels are restricted to OEM 2.2” size. all OEM tires are legal, any modified tires may be no larger then 5.2"

not really right to say hey you can mod tires in 1.9 but not it the hardcore class..
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